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Mak Sò
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🧠 How AI Agents Learned to Agree Through Structured Debate

A close look at how the Orka reasoning stack enabled multi agent convergence

Introduction

Picture six AI agents with clashing worldviews dropped into the same arena and asked to settle on what “ethical AI deployment” really means. You would expect fireworks. Instead, thanks to Orka’s reasoning engine, we watched those voices debate, adapt, and finally converge on an answer that satisfied nearly all of them.

This piece unpacks that live experiment. Agents anchored in contrasting philosophies – from bold progressivism to cautious conservatism – argued through several iterative loops and still closed at an 85 percent consensus score. We will see how memory, healthy friction, and step‑by‑step reasoning made the breakthrough possible.

The Cognitive Society: Meet the Players

The session featured six unique agent roles, each running with its own mental model and tactics:

The Core Debaters

  • Radical Progressive: Champions sweeping change, equity, and justice
  • Traditional Conservative: Values stability, tradition, and incremental reform
  • Pragmatic Realist: Hunts for data backed middle ground
  • Ethical Purist: Holds fast to uncompromised moral rules

The System Moderators

  • Devil's Advocate: Pokes holes and stresses the weak spots
  • Neutral Moderator: Keeps the flow civil and steers the synthesis

Together they simulate a miniature parliament where clashing ideologies must hammer out a shared stance.

The Technical Architecture: Orka in Action

Orka choreographed the debate with three main levers:

Memory Systems

Each agent tapped a custom memory reader that pulled past arguments, positions, and facts. That thread of continuity let them build on earlier statements instead of looping in circles.

Loop‑Based Reasoning

The process ran in numbered cycles. Every loop contained:

  1. Position statements
  2. Challenges and counter punches
  3. Defenses and reinforcements
  4. A quick convergence check

Real‑Time Metrics

Live dashboards tracked:

  • Agreement scores
  • Momentum toward convergence
  • Debate quality signals
  • Creative tension
  • Token spend and cost

Loop 1: The Opening Positions (201756)

The first round laid the ideological cards on the table.

Initial Positioning

The Radical Progressive launched a vision where AI is fair, transparent, and tackles inequality. Key points:

  • Demand for open algorithms and clear accountability
  • Design that includes marginalised voices from day one
  • Closing gaps in access to advanced tech
  • Auditing power structures to share the gains

The Traditional Conservative replied with a call for continuity:

  • Lean on long‑standing values: family, community, stable institutions
  • Favour measured steps rather than sudden shifts
  • Point to history as proof that tradition anchors social trust
  • Stress personal duty within a solid moral framework

The Pragmatic Realist proposed evidence first governance:

  • Policy informed by data, not ideology
  • Joint public private steering groups
  • Metrics over rhetoric for social progress

The Ethical Purist drew a clear moral line:

  • Ethics cannot be bent for convenience
  • Human dignity and rights are non‑negotiable
  • Radical transparency in every choice

Early Tensions and Metrics

  • Agreement Score: 0.6
  • Convergence Trend: STABLE
  • Token Usage: 126 401 tokens
  • Cost: 0.0204 USD

Common ground existed – everyone agreed ethics matter – but the ways to get there were poles apart.

Loop 2: Deepening the Debate (201853)

Round two sharpened the rhetoric and saw real tactical shifts.

Evolving Arguments

The Radical Progressive softened its edges:

  • Accepted the need to partner with diverse voices
  • Suggested local AI oversight panels
  • Backed co‑funded education drives for AI literacy

The Traditional Conservative showed flexibility:

  • Recognised ethical AI as essential
  • Endorsed rights‑focused frameworks that fit legacy structures
  • Wanted oversight boards hosting respected community leaders

Attack and Defense Strategies

The Radical Progressive parried claims of chaos:

  • Highlighted that ethics must evolve with society
  • Said inclusive debate produces stronger safeguards

The Traditional Conservative countered:

  • Cited history to show tradition delivers resilience
  • Argued gradual adjustment keeps public trust intact

Performance Metrics

  • Token Usage: 184 075 (+45.5 percent)
  • Cost: 0.0290 USD (+42.4 percent)
  • Agent Spotlight: progressive and purist stayed busiest

More tokens meant deeper nuance; the agents were learning each other’s playbooks.

Loop 3: The Convergence Begins (201954)

The tone pivoted from sparring to bridge‑building.

Strategic Evolution

The Radical Progressive pointed to data:

  • Inclusive policy trials prove better outcomes
  • Historical reforms that seemed radical later became mainstream

The Traditional Conservative added nuance:

  • Asked progressives how to safeguard stability during bold reforms
  • Framed tradition as a scaffolding for lasting innovation

Collaborative Proposals Emerge


Concrete joint ideas surfaced:

  • Mixed ethics councils blending both camps
  • Pilot zones to test ethical AI in varied communities
  • Cross ideology forums on shared values

Debate Quality Improvements

  • Token Usage: 199 354 (+8.3 percent)
  • Cost: 0.0313 USD (+7.9 percent)
  • More citations and historical analogies showed maturing arguments.

Loop 4: Breakthrough and Consensus (202043)

The fourth pass delivered the coveted leap to 0.85 agreement.

The Convergence Moment

The Devil's Advocate confirmed:

  • Agreement Score: 0.85
  • Momentum: accelerating toward closure
  • Conclusion: every agent now hunts compromise rather than dominance

Final Positions

The Radical Progressive balanced vision and pragmatism:

We push for AI that uplifts communities and fixes systemic gaps while still honoring agreed ethical codes.

The Traditional Conservative anchored the pact:

Ethical AI is possible when rooted in transparency, accountability, and enduring civic values. This stance supports fairness without sacrificing stability.

The Consensus Statement

All parties agree that ethical standards must guide AI deployment to protect community welfare and ensure accountability.

The Memory System: Learning Across Loops

Persistent memory underpinned the steady climb toward consensus.

Memory Architecture

Dedicated memory readers stored:

  • Progressive rhetoric and case studies
  • Conservative references and historical proofs
  • Realist data sets and compromise frameworks
  • Purist moral doctrine and principles

Memory Impact on Reasoning

Benefits observed:

  1. Thread continuity – no resets between rounds
  2. Learning curve – positions matured with feedback
  3. Deeper nuance – richer evidence each loop
  4. Less repetition – past statements seldom repeated verbatim

Memory Utilization Statistics

  • Retrievals each loop: multiple
  • Similarity scores: 0.54 to 0.56
  • Time to live rules nudged agents toward timely closure

Creative Tension: The Engine of Evolution

Healthy friction was essential rather than optional.

Tension Mechanisms

  1. Ideological clash kept pressure high
  2. Devil’s Advocate forced reflection
  3. Defensive moves strengthened logic
  4. Competitive pride drove intellectual quality

Tension Evolution

  • Early loops: sharp discord
  • Middle loops: heat channelled into constructive debate
  • Final loops: conflict flipped into co design

Creative Outcomes

  • Hybrid policies marrying progressive aims with conservative methods
  • Novel governance models for AI ethics
  • Middle ground that kept core values intact

The Economics of Reasoning: Cost and Efficiency Analysis

Token spend tells its own story.

Cost Progression

  • Loop 1: 0.0204 USD (126 401 tokens)
  • Loop 2: 0.0290 USD (184 075 tokens)
  • Loop 3: 0.0313 USD (199 354 tokens)
  • Loop 4: 0.0307 USD (194 847 tokens)
  • Total: 0.0943 USD (611 157 tokens)

Efficiency Notes

  1. Setup overhead – first rounds heavy on groundwork
  2. Peak complexity – loop 3 had most intricate arguments
  3. Closing gains – slight token dip once convergence took shape

Agent‑Level Spotlight

The Radical Progressive consumed 71.3 percent of tokens. That load matches the need to propose sweeping changes and defend them on multiple fronts.

Technical Insights: Why It Worked

Five factors drove success:

  1. Clear roles generated purposeful tension
  2. Iterative loops transformed positions gradually
  3. Integrated memory secured learning across rounds
  4. Live convergence score kept everyone goal aligned
  5. Balanced tension ensured debate stayed productive

Implications for AI Reasoning Systems

Lessons drawn for future multi agent platforms:

Multi Agent Deliberation

Structured debate can beat simple majority vote in finding robust consensus.

Role‑Based Reasoning

Diverse philosophical roles surface richer perspectives than uniform agent pools.

Memory Enhanced Cognition

Cross loop memory lifts agents above single turn limits.

Designed Convergence

Feedback loops can be tuned to hit specific agreement targets.

The Broader Context: Why This Matters

Beyond a technical demo, this run hints at democratic AI that can:

  1. Tackle thorny ethical questions
  2. Let contrasting voices feel heard
  3. Land on genuine consensus rather than watered down compromise
  4. Learn and refine with time

Challenges and Limitations

Not everything was rosy:

Computational Cost

Six hundred thousand plus tokens is steep. Scaling calls for leaner prompts.

Role Imbalance

Progressive dominance may skew outcomes. Weighting could help.

Convergence Bias

Systems wired for agreement might undervalue principled stand offs.

Narrow Scope

One issue, four loops, fixed roles – real policy is messier.

Future Directions

Research paths now in sight:

  1. Dynamic roles – positions shift with context
  2. Larger agent pools – more voices, richer debate
  3. Multi issue agendas – linked policy threads in one session
  4. Human AI hybrids – people in the loop for realism
  5. Cross cultural inputs – global value sets

Key Findings and Data Analysis

Convergence Metrics

Loop Agreement Tokens Cost (USD) Trend
1 0.60 126 401 0.0204 stable
2 approx 0.60 184 075 0.0290 stable
3 approx 0.70 199 354 0.0313 rising
4 0.85 194 847 0.0307 achieved

Agent Performance


Radical Progressive numbers:

  • Total tokens: 666 311
  • Average per slot: 23 797
  • Cost per appearance: 0.00375 USD
  • Loops active: all four

Memory Effectiveness

  • Similarity 0.54‑0.56 keeps retrieval relevant
  • Short term memories expire on schedule
  • Queries stayed on point to current debate stage

Workflow Execution Analysis

Final run stats:

Overall Performance

  • Duration: 240.184 s
  • LLM calls: 17
  • Tokens: 611 157
  • Cost: 0.094236 USD
  • Average latency: 5 700 ms

Agent Breakdown

  1. cognitive_debate_loop – 14 calls, 71.3 percent tokens
  2. meta_debate_reflection – 1 call, 9.2 percent tokens
  3. reasoning_quality_extractor – 1 call, 9.6 percent tokens
  4. final_synthesis_processor – 1 call, 9.9 percent tokens

Debate Dynamics Deep Dive

The interplay of ideas was vibrant. Progressive urgency for ethical guardrails met conservative insistence on societal stability. Realist pragmatism bridged the gap with evidence based proposals.

Creative Tension Scorecard

  • Confidence: 95 percent
  • Productive disagreement: high
  • Position evolution: strong
  • Synthesis quality: solid

Conclusion: The Promise of Collective Intelligence

The Orka run shows AI debates do not have to end in echo chambers. Agents kept their identities yet still aligned on shared ground. The end statement – ethics first to protect communities and uphold accountability – is authentic convergence.

The Progressive voice preserved bold reform ideals but learned to address conservative stability concerns. The Conservative bloc safeguarded enduring values while conceding room for inclusive change. The Realist camp turned openness into actionable policy.

In short, structured multi voice AI debates can outshine human panels in speed and consistency, offering a tool for navigating complex questions from policy to research.

The Path Forward

We may soon rely on agent collectives to help reconcile divided human forums. The blueprint uncovered by Orka suggests the future lies in networks of specialised, memory‑aware agents that collaborate rather than compete.


About the Experiment

Data reviewed here stems from the Orka reasoning trial on 12 July 2025. Four reasoning loops produced an 85 percent agreement on AI ethics at a cost below ten cents.

Technical Footprint

  • Platform: Windows 10 (10.0.26100‑SP0)
  • Python: 3.11.12
  • Model: GPT‑4o‑mini
  • Git SHA: 0b68cb240fa0
  • Processing time: 240 s
  • Cost per agreement point: 0.377 USD

Data Access: CSV and JSON logs live in:
https://github.com/marcosomma/orka-reasoning/tree/master/docs/expSOC01

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Ashley Childress

I love this! The setup is brilliant and your overall post is well written and easy to follow. I'm curious to see where this type of tech goes in the future 🤔

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Mak Sò

Thanks 🙏 I'm trying out the fully local experiment and it’s been surprisingly insightful. Cost was definitely a trade-off for execution time, but having full control over orchestration and the reasoning loop gave me a much clearer picture of how agent flows behave under real conditions. Still early days, but the implications for local, explainable cognition are starting to take shape. Excited to keep pushing it and see where it leads 🚀

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Ashley Childress

Definitely keep us in the loop! I'm excited to see what you come up with 🪄⚡️

Good luck with it, too! I know from experience how agents like to misbehave sometimes 😉

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Doug Wilson

Freakin' fascinating! This is gonna take a couple more reads and some deep reflection (aka a couple of whiskeys), but thank you so much for sharing it.

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Mak Sò

Love that reaction that’s exactly the spirit 🥃. This stuff needs time (and maybe a smoky single malt) to settle in.
Would genuinely love to hear your take once it marinates. The whole point of Orka is to spark this kind of reflection.

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Mak Sò

of course! just let's get in contact on linkedin! linkedin.com/in/marcosomma/

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Matthew Cummins

I may have accidentally independently done similar. This has been the focus of much of my effort.

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Mak Sò

Also stay tuned I'm try now with local models (deepseek-r1:32b) I will share outcome soon!

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Matthew Cummins

Consider me tuned :)

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Mak Sò

Hehe let's get in touch to share experience but anyway remember that orka would love to get collaboration.... Feel free to fork and play with it!

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okram_mAI

Interesting!

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