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Suppose $G$ is a finite $p$-group. Let \begin{align*} \mho_{1}(G)=\langle a^p\mid a\in G\rangle,\quad\Omega_{1}(G)=\langle a\in G\mid a^p=1\rangle. \end{align*} There are examples such that $|G|\leq |\mho_{1}(G)||\Omega_{1}(G)|$ and $|G|\geq |\mho_{1}(G)||\Omega_{1}(G)|$. For $G=Q_{8}$, we computed $|\mho_{1}(G)||\Omega_{1}(G)|=4$. It's easy to construct $p$-groups of nilpotency class $p$ satisfy $|\mho_{1}(G)||\Omega_{1}(G)|$ strict less than $|G|$ for any odd prime number.

For $G$ be an arbitrary regular $p$-group, from P. Hall's known paper in 1932, we know $|G|= |\mho_{1}(G)||\Omega_{1}(G)|$.

We can get some $p$-groups satisfy $|G|$ strict less than $|\mho_{1}(G)||\Omega_{1}(G)|$ from $p$-central group. My question is that whether $|\mho_{1}(G)||\Omega_{1}(G)|$ is characterized by $|G|$ in general. I hope get lower bound and upper bound of $|\mho_{1}(G)||\Omega_{1}(G)|$ from $|G|$.

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    $\begingroup$ The formulation of the question is a bit confusing. Call it $f(G)$. Clearly, as you explained, $f(G)$ is not characterized by $|G|$. You indeed mentioned that $f(G)=|G|$ in the regular case and that there are cases with $|f(G)|<|G|$. You didn't say whether $|f(G)|>|G|$ can occur. The question seems to be "What are good lower bounds and upper bounds for $f(G)$. Of course $1\le f(G)\le |G|^2$ and this is far from optimal. $\endgroup$ Commented Oct 21, 2023 at 5:55
  • $\begingroup$ In fact, the example that $|f(G)|>|G|$ can be found in $semi-p-abelian$ group. In the groups,$|G/\Omega_{1}(G)|=|\mho_\{1\}(G)|$ and not every groups satisfy $\mho_\{1\}(G)$ is a group. Then exist some $semi-p-abelian$ groups satisfy $|G|<|f(G)|$. $\endgroup$ Commented Oct 23, 2023 at 15:42
  • $\begingroup$ Please don't write text in math mode. You can use * signs to write italics. $\endgroup$ Commented Oct 23, 2023 at 16:07
  • $\begingroup$ Thanks,i will be careful it. $\endgroup$ Commented Oct 24, 2023 at 9:50

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