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> I am strongly against ty behaviour here.
[ty developer here]
Please note that ty is not complete!
In this particular example, we are tripped up because ty does not do anything clever to infer the type of a list literal. We just infer `list[Unknown]` as a placeholder, regardless of what elements are present. `Unknown` is a gradual type (just like `Any`), and so the `append` call succeeds because every type is assignable to `Unknown`.
We do have plans for inferring a more precise type of the list. It will be more complex than you might anticipate, since it will require "bidirectional" typing to take into account what you're doing with the list in the surrounding context. We have a tracking issue for that here: https://github.com/astral-sh/ty/issues/168
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InfluxDB
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There's Gluon, which doesn't share Rust's syntax but does have a Hindley-Milner-based type system and embeds pretty seamlessly in a Rust program.
https://github.com/gluon-lang/gluon
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it is sad to see how painful typed python is … i prefer a language where (gradual) types were designed infrom the get go … https://raku.org
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Fixit
Advanced Python linting framework with auto-fixes and hierarchical configuration that makes it easy to write custom in-repo lint rules.
Instagram built a linter with the ability to fix errors which is an improvement over flake8 & pylint: https://github.com/Instagram/Fixit
But Ruff is an even greater improvement over that
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Coming from a Meta background (not speaking on behalf of Meta):
"package/dependency management" - Everything is checked into a monorepo, and built with [Buck2](https://buck2.build/). There's tooling to import/update packages, but no need to reinvent pip or other package managers. Btw, Buck2 is pretty awesome and supports a ton of languages beyond python, but hasn't gotten a ton of traction outside of Meta.
"linting, formatting" - [Black](https://github.com/psf/black) and other public ecosystem tooling is great, no need to develop internally.
"why is type checking the exception" - Don't know about Astral, but for Meta / Google, most everyone else doesn't design for the scale of their monorepos. Meta moved from SVN to Git to Mercurial, then forked Mercurial into [Sapling](https://sapling-scm.com/) because simple operations were too slow for the number of files in their repo, and how frequently they receive diffs.
There are obvious safety benefits to type checking, but with how much Python code Meta has, mypy is not an option - it would take far too much time / memory to provide any value.
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Coming from a Meta background (not speaking on behalf of Meta):
"package/dependency management" - Everything is checked into a monorepo, and built with [Buck2](https://buck2.build/). There's tooling to import/update packages, but no need to reinvent pip or other package managers. Btw, Buck2 is pretty awesome and supports a ton of languages beyond python, but hasn't gotten a ton of traction outside of Meta.
"linting, formatting" - [Black](https://github.com/psf/black) and other public ecosystem tooling is great, no need to develop internally.
"why is type checking the exception" - Don't know about Astral, but for Meta / Google, most everyone else doesn't design for the scale of their monorepos. Meta moved from SVN to Git to Mercurial, then forked Mercurial into [Sapling](https://sapling-scm.com/) because simple operations were too slow for the number of files in their repo, and how frequently they receive diffs.
There are obvious safety benefits to type checking, but with how much Python code Meta has, mypy is not an option - it would take far too much time / memory to provide any value.
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Coming from a Meta background (not speaking on behalf of Meta):
"package/dependency management" - Everything is checked into a monorepo, and built with [Buck2](https://buck2.build/). There's tooling to import/update packages, but no need to reinvent pip or other package managers. Btw, Buck2 is pretty awesome and supports a ton of languages beyond python, but hasn't gotten a ton of traction outside of Meta.
"linting, formatting" - [Black](https://github.com/psf/black) and other public ecosystem tooling is great, no need to develop internally.
"why is type checking the exception" - Don't know about Astral, but for Meta / Google, most everyone else doesn't design for the scale of their monorepos. Meta moved from SVN to Git to Mercurial, then forked Mercurial into [Sapling](https://sapling-scm.com/) because simple operations were too slow for the number of files in their repo, and how frequently they receive diffs.
There are obvious safety benefits to type checking, but with how much Python code Meta has, mypy is not an option - it would take far too much time / memory to provide any value.
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Stream
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